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Antonio Castellaneta's avatar

What fascinates me most is the paradox you raise between the universe and consciousness. The universe may precede us, of course, but its being perceived, ordered through time, and ultimately recognized happens only when something within it becomes capable of observing it. In this sense, consciousness doesn’t seem to me to be something standing apart from the universe; it is a part of the universe that, through perception, somehow allows it to turn back toward itself. Perhaps this is precisely where myth and philosophy meet again.

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

You say it perfectly!🙏

Mike Kay's avatar

Taking as I am wont to do, a path of my own here, I view myth itself as an essential form of cognition. Mythic thinking isn't especially kind to one's developed sensibilities, yet it is a method through which many threads of human experience are woven together. I enjoy the fact that Schopenhauer gave room for myth, and think higher of him for it.

Youngest of the Titans is an important observation. This addition has much to do with how one views the phenomenal world when one steps at least partially beyond it.

Thank you as well, Mr C, for pointing out that even if we attempt to discover history prior to mind, we are inescapably utilizing mind to do so. Maybe its just me, but I find this to be hugely funny!

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

Thank you, sir! I think that last observation, and the humour, is something you would share with Schopenhauer; he found the fact that all of those scientists and historians of his own day assumed they were dealing with an independent reality, when in fact it was only the world as it appeared in the mind quite ridiculous. That's where he talked about the "laughter of the Olympians"

Mike Kay's avatar

My hat is off to both him and yourself, Mr C.

Jo-Ann Petrarca's avatar

I love the poem, Ross! I’ve always been intrigued by the concept of time! What is time? I don’t believe it exists, but yet, not sure what to go by!

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

Thank you! I think you're right; it doesn't exist independently of our consciousness - it's just the way we perceive and understand things in order to function

Jo-Ann Petrarca's avatar

Exactly

Gub's avatar

Oh yeah, this one’s right up my alley

The puzzle piece of the energies or realms the planets represent and how choosing Chronos and Ouranus is timley with the age of Aquarius. So thank you for your work, because it immensely progresses my own investigation of the cosmos and consciousness

Deeply rich poem one of my favorites of them all

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

Thank you very much, Gub!🙏🙏

Aria Ligi's avatar

The last stanza ties it all up with a delicacy that is enduring. 😊😊😊💖💖💖💖

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

Thank you, Aria!🙏🙏💚💚💚

Patricia Andrews (WA)'s avatar

Are you suggesting that “The Gods” are, as Marvel Comics are an extended interpretation of actions conceived by the “mind”? I’m just asking if my understanding meets your intent. Thank you.

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

I think they are characterisations of universal principles or formative forces within consciousness. They are ideas inherent in the mind

Patricia Andrews (WA)'s avatar

Yes. And if the “Mind” creates universal principles or formative forces within consciousness, Where does group delusion or “mob” behavior fit in to that creation? Leaving aside any already described “Supreme Deity” as part of the mechanism, how can we evolve past the closed loop of growth, overgrowth, failure, destruction, and move forward again toward a “more evolved mind” and away from self destruction?

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

I'm not sure if we have too much choice in these things. On the other hand, I don't think there's anything fundamentally to worry about. The world of changing appearances is not who or what we really are.

Patricia Andrews (WA)'s avatar

Thank’s for your time. One more comment re your article: in the deluge of breaking norms that we inhabit right now, I can’t help but wonder at humanity’s wash, rinse, repeat history of rise — then failure. (Probably outside my “Pay Grade”.

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

We do seem doomed to continue doing terrible things and suffering; I don't think humanity can ever be without these, but we also share the same root as the visible universe; our inner nature, ontologically prior to being human, is one with the ultimate principle. So we are both human, and we transcend being human too

Patricia Andrews (WA)'s avatar

That is a clearer understanding of what I got from the article, and I completely agree with you. A famous quotation from someone (whose name I cannot remember) is: “what is the measure of mind”?

Ross Ion Coyle (M)'s avatar

Thank you!🙏🙏

David MacGregor's avatar

The power of mind

Reflects and builds

The universe

Animals have no time

For religion