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Mike Kay's avatar

The question of externalities always leads us back to the qualities of perception. Most people quit the inquiry with the conclusion that there is an outer world, outer space, case closed. This approach is very comforting. It upholds truckloads of assumptions.

I wonder, though about this. Isn't it ultimately true that there is no external perception? So, if anything we can perceive is due to the inner quality of perception, how do we know that the inner perception is registering an outer world?

Put another way, there is always an inner facet to any external perception, so anything we can perceive cannot be fully and completely an external phenomenon. At the very least, a quality of ourselves must participate in the perception.

Thus to perceive the forms, the five solids, and the unmoveable mover means that there is a quality with at least some of us that participates therein. This means that it is impossible for source to be fully external from our subject-object assumptions.

Fran Santiago's avatar

Right up my alley, thank you. I’m putting together a workshop on Parmenides and Heraclitus and have been reading Zubiri on the parallels and differences between the Greek/Aristotelian view of nous and being, and the Vedantic one. Here's a fragment:

"Primitive Indian philosophical literature does not rest on the verb as-, “to be”, but on the verb bhū-, equivalent to Greek phyein, in the sense of being born and engendering. All the exuberant richness of the intellectual nuances of things is expressed through the innumerable forms and derivatives of this second verb: things are bhūta-, engendered beings; the entity is bhū, the born one, etc. The verb as- by contrast has no other function than that of a simple copula, so inconsequential that Indian thought never truly arrived at the idea of essence. It is not that Vedānta absolutely lacks something equivalent to our notion of essence; but it is only a remote equivalence.

For the Greeks, essence is a purely logical and ontological feature: it is what in things corresponds to their definition and what gives them their proper nature. The Indian, on the other hand, always subordinates these notions to others that are more elementary and of a different character. For him, essence is above all the purest extract of the activity of things, in the same sense in which we still use the word today when we speak of an “essence” in perfumery. So much so that one of the most primitive names for what we call essence is rasa-, which strictly means sap, juice, generating and vital principle.

This difference reaches all the way to the very idea of being. Whereas for Parmenides and for the Greeks in general —to put it somewhat schematically— the characteristic of being is “to stand”, to persist and, therefore, to be immutable, not to change (akíneton), for Vedānta being (sat-) is rather that which possesses itself in perfect stillness, in unalterable peace (shanti-). This opposition between Eleatic stillness and Vedāntic calm or peace cannot be forgotten in favour of external analogies, and keeping it in view prevents us from hastily identifying on and sat-.

Indian thought is the reality of what Greece —and therefore the whole of Europe— would have been without Parmenides or Heraclitus: in Aristotelian terms, a speculation entirely about things without ever bringing the “are” into play; something that, very remotely, recalls gnosis. This slight variation in the target of thought was enough to give rise to Parmenides and Heraclitus.

By interpreting Brahman as universal soul —the identity of ātman and brahman— the Indian arrived at a kind of ontogony. By taking Nature as a force of being, we will arrive at an ontology. But one more step is needed: that will be the work of the generations immediately after the Persian Wars. From that point on, Wisdom will no longer be a simple vision of Nature, but a vision of what things are, of the principle and substance that makes them be, of their being."

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